YES We show the termination of R/S, where R is f(x,c(y)) -> f(x,s(f(y,y))) f(s(x),y) -> f(x,s(c(y))) and S is: rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) Since R almost dominates S and S is non-duplicating, it is enough to show finiteness of (P, Q). Here P consists of the dependency pairs f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(x,s(f(y,y))) f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(y,y) f#(s(x),y) -> f#(x,s(c(y))) and Q consists of the rules: f(x,c(y)) -> f(x,s(f(y,y))) f(s(x),y) -> f(x,s(c(y))) rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The weakly monotone algebra (N^3, >_lex) with f#_A((x1,y1,z1),(x2,y2,z2)) = (x2, 0, 0) c_A((x1,y1,z1)) = (x1 + 1, y1 + 1, 2) s_A((x1,y1,z1)) = (0, 0, 1) f_A((x1,y1,z1),(x2,y2,z2)) = (x2 + 1, y2 + 1, 1) rand_A((x1,y1,z1)) = (x1 + 1, 1, 0) strictly orients the following dependency pairs: f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(x,s(f(y,y))) f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(y,y) We remove them from the set of dependency pairs. The weakly monotone algebra (N^3, >_lex) with f#_A((x1,y1,z1),(x2,y2,z2)) = (x1, y1, z1) s_A((x1,y1,z1)) = (x1, y1 + 1, 1) c_A((x1,y1,z1)) = (x1 + 1, y1 + 1, z1 + 1) f_A((x1,y1,z1),(x2,y2,z2)) = (x1 + 2, y1 + 1, z1 + 1) rand_A((x1,y1,z1)) = (x1 + 1, 1, 0) strictly orients the following dependency pairs: f#(s(x),y) -> f#(x,s(c(y))) We remove them from the set of dependency pairs. No dependency pair remains.