YES We show the termination of R/S, where R is f(s(x),y,y) -> f(y,x,s(x)) and S is: rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) Since R almost dominates S and S is non-duplicating, it is enough to show finiteness of (P, Q). Here P consists of the dependency pairs f#(s(x),y,y) -> f#(y,x,s(x)) and Q consists of the rules: f(s(x),y,y) -> f(y,x,s(x)) rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The weakly monotone algebra (N^2, >_lex) with f#_A((x1,y1),(x2,y2),(x3,y3)) = (x1 + x2, y1 + y2) s_A((x1,y1)) = (x1, y1 + 1) f_A((x1,y1),(x2,y2),(x3,y3)) = (0, 0) rand_A((x1,y1)) = (x1 + 1, 0) strictly orients the following dependency pairs: f#(s(x),y,y) -> f#(y,x,s(x)) We remove them from the set of dependency pairs. No dependency pair remains.