YES We show the termination of the relative TRS R/S: R: p(s(x)) -> x fac(|0|()) -> s(|0|()) fac(s(x)) -> times(s(x),fac(p(s(x)))) S: rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) -- SCC decomposition. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: fac#(s(x)) -> fac#(p(s(x))) p2: fac#(s(x)) -> p#(s(x)) and R consists of: r1: p(s(x)) -> x r2: fac(|0|()) -> s(|0|()) r3: fac(s(x)) -> times(s(x),fac(p(s(x)))) r4: rand(x) -> x r5: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The estimated dependency graph contains the following SCCs: {p1} -- Reduction pair. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: fac#(s(x)) -> fac#(p(s(x))) and R consists of: r1: p(s(x)) -> x r2: fac(|0|()) -> s(|0|()) r3: fac(s(x)) -> times(s(x),fac(p(s(x)))) r4: rand(x) -> x r5: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The set of usable rules consists of r1, r2, r3, r4, r5 Take the reduction pair: lexicographic combination of reduction pairs: 1. lexicographic path order with precedence: precedence: rand > |0| > fac > s > times > p > fac# argument filter: pi(fac#) = 1 pi(s) = 1 pi(p) = 1 pi(fac) = [1] pi(|0|) = [] pi(times) = 1 pi(rand) = [1] 2. lexicographic path order with precedence: precedence: s > rand > times > |0| > p > fac > fac# argument filter: pi(fac#) = [1] pi(s) = [1] pi(p) = 1 pi(fac) = 1 pi(|0|) = [] pi(times) = [1] pi(rand) = [] 3. lexicographic path order with precedence: precedence: rand > times > fac > fac# > s > |0| > p argument filter: pi(fac#) = [1] pi(s) = [1] pi(p) = [] pi(fac) = [] pi(|0|) = [] pi(times) = [1] pi(rand) = [] The next rules are strictly ordered: p1 We remove them from the problem. Then no dependency pair remains.