YES We show the termination of the relative TRS R/S: R: f(x) -> s(x) f(s(s(x))) -> s(f(f(x))) S: rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) -- SCC decomposition. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: f#(s(s(x))) -> f#(f(x)) p2: f#(s(s(x))) -> f#(x) and R consists of: r1: f(x) -> s(x) r2: f(s(s(x))) -> s(f(f(x))) r3: rand(x) -> x r4: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The estimated dependency graph contains the following SCCs: {p1, p2} -- Reduction pair. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: f#(s(s(x))) -> f#(f(x)) p2: f#(s(s(x))) -> f#(x) and R consists of: r1: f(x) -> s(x) r2: f(s(s(x))) -> s(f(f(x))) r3: rand(x) -> x r4: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The set of usable rules consists of r1, r2, r3, r4 Take the reduction pair: lexicographic combination of reduction pairs: 1. matrix interpretations: carrier: N^4 order: lexicographic order interpretations: f#_A(x1) = ((1,0,0,0),(1,1,0,0),(0,1,1,0),(0,1,0,1)) x1 s_A(x1) = ((1,0,0,0),(0,1,0,0),(0,0,0,0),(1,1,0,0)) x1 + (0,2,1,1) f_A(x1) = ((1,0,0,0),(0,1,0,0),(0,0,0,0),(1,1,0,0)) x1 + (0,2,2,2) rand_A(x1) = x1 + (1,0,1,1) 2. lexicographic path order with precedence: precedence: s > f# > rand > f argument filter: pi(f#) = [1] pi(s) = [] pi(f) = [] pi(rand) = [] The next rules are strictly ordered: p1, p2 We remove them from the problem. Then no dependency pair remains.